BAY ST. LOUIS, Miss. -- The drawings were impressive and the architects intelligent, so it came as a bit of a shock to Waveland and Bay St. Louis residents when the Governors Commission on rebuilding Mississippi’s Gulf Coast suggested they look at a certain type of housing to start with: pre-fab.
No, not doublewide mobile homes, the architects assured people at both events last week.
Bill Dennis, a Rhode Island architect who led the Bay St. Louis design team, explained that the manufactured home industry has come a long way and that homes starting at $25,000 can look good, exceed storm requirements, be added onto in the future or even become a guest house when a larger home is built on one’s property.
The teams for both towns also laid out well-received ideas like new commercial areas along the beach, more open space and paths connecting neighborhoods. But most questions afterwards had to do with housing.
In Bay St. Louis, one resident said she was inspired by the home rising from the debris on Ballentine Street. “It was an aha moment,” she told her several hundred peers.
The first site to receive a new home construction permit from Bay St. Louis, the 1,000-square-foot home was donated to an elderly lady by Allen Associates, a Santa Barbara, Calif., builder.
Called a “build-to-ship” home, it arrived in pieces in October. Ian Cronshaw, a partner in Allen Associates, says the design fits between pre-fab and custom. “We don’t want to do bottom of the barrel stuff,” he says.
$100 to $135 a square foot
It costs $100 to $135 a square foot, but Cronshaw is confident that can come down significantly if the timber was cut and packaged along the Gulf Coast where labor is cheaper than California. “We may be interested” in doing just that, he says.
Bay St. Louis Mayor Eddie Favre says he’s all for encouraging such options as long as the builders meet storm codes. “There are some pretty neat looking designs,” he says, adding that he hopes more will be approved before Christmas.
Bill Carrigee, the city’s building inspector, said a few wind modifications had to be made on the two-bedroom, one-bath home on Ballentine, but that otherwise it was coming along just fine.
His advice to property owners looking at this and pre-fab options: “They must make sure they have a reputable firm and do not buy until plans are approved by this office.”
Dennis and the governor’s commission are working to get pre-fab builders to show model homes in Waveland, Bay St. Louis and the nine other communities they studied. That could happen as early as January.
As for the Ballentine house, Cronshaw is returning on Dec. 17 with extra crew to finish and have the owner move in on Dec. 23 -- just in time for Christmas dinner in her new home.
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Follow-up to FEMA Flub
Prefab housing: As a real estate consultant, I have recommended several such proposals in the past. Best way to do it is to set up a fabrication plant in the New Orleans area staffed by existing home fabricaters from outside the area. FEMA could provide startup capital for training local labor and setting up the plants for a lot less than paying for cruise liners.
Ken LeBrun (Sent Dec 5, 2005 4:15:00 PM)
Back in the late 80s I designed 16 different homes in the prefab construction designs suitable for the rebuilding of the towns in the Katrina area. Even 4 2 story homes. These homes are built like in an auto manufacturing plant, sections placed on my special trucks, sent to the building lots and erected fully ready to move into within less than a month. I have tried to get the funding to erect and start making these homes, but alas, noone seems to be interested in funding my dreams. Projections at the time were for 1,000 homes a year from one shift, and other shifts could be added to make more homes.
Look at my designs on the computers, move the interior walls around to suit your needs, but then the numbers are sent to the plant, the house constructed in wall pannels, lifted into my special trucks. Even the foundations are manufactured in the plant. Full erection of the basic house of 1,000 sqft would take only two days and allow another week to finish the interior with cabinets, rugs, tiles, etc, and then moved into within the two weeks allowed....finished. I designed them to be built so that they could be taken apart and moved and reerected again at a dfferent locations. The sections fit together like a picture puzzle...each part helping to hold the other in place so they do not destruct in a hurricane, tornado, or flood.
I still have the plans if anyone might be interested. Steel studs, rafters, steel floor trusses. Electric designed like auto plugs and wiring; Plumbing prefabbed to fit each different house.
I would let the designs be used by others...the only thing I would ask for in return is a small royalty on each house built(mainly because I am too old to do the work myself and want the income.)
oseph J. Mulherin, Sr Indio, CA 92201-4154 (Sent Dec 5, 2005 4:28:25 PM)
where are the pictures of the trailor prefabs and is chaney and Halabirten ahead of it
james alverson ,cuyagoga falls, ohio (Sent Dec 5, 2005 5:24:13 PM)
WHOA!!! If the [yellow]house in the photo is one of the pre-fabs costing $100.00 (and up) per s/ft, somebody is getting screwed big time!!
You can buy modular homes (much better than 'manufactured' aka: mobile homes) for less than $70.00 per s/ft.
'Contempry Homes' (Pickneyville, IL) built a 1900 s/ft home for under $70,000, several years ago, that rivaled many of the $100,000 site built homes.
Modular construction has been around a long time, and is vastly superior to site built structures for a multitude of reasons.
I suspect that these prices have been inflated grossly based upon one simple human fraility: GREED!
GDS (Sent Dec 5, 2005 5:38:22 PM)
The "pre-fab" home, or manufactured home is a affordable solution for a quality home, especially if people are replacing a destroyed structure. My husband and I purchased a triple section modular home, built to IRC codes, a little over a year ago in a rural area near Colorado Springs. Our 2640 sq ft home was built in Nebraska and shipped via tractor trailer, removed from the trailer and placed on a concrete crawl space. It cost us, with the foundation, $62 a sq foot (didn't include the land, well, septic tank and electricity). We even did about $15K worth of construction upgrades, including upgraded inulation and house wrap, concrete fiberboard lap siding, flat 9' ceilings and a 6-12 pitch roof. It certainly doesn't look like a "manufactured" home; everyone who visits is surprised to find out it is. We also own a site built home, on a basement, that wasn't built as well as this house. The material and contruction quality are superior and we wouldn't hesitate to purchase another; in fact, we are considering doing just that to add a guest house to our property.
Lydia Decker, Colorado Springs CO (Sent Dec 5, 2005 5:55:08 PM)
There is this company I found in New Orleans that makes Modular homes that look just like the old historic homes of New Orleans. This may be a great solution to Katrina not just for New Orleans but the entire gulf coast. Yall should check out hometimellc.
Sara Jackson (Sent Dec 5, 2005 6:08:45 PM)
That was several years ago! It may as well be 100 years ago. Prices for building materials have gone up tremendously in 2 years. Say 30% to 40% and then add labor costs also increasing at least 15% to 20% per year due to insurance fraud, lawsuits and dead beat unemployment costs. You get to $100 per foot.
Sugarbear (Sent Dec 5, 2005 7:28:44 PM)
There is another option for building;
WWW.CONTAINERCITY.COM
I called FEMA in Washington D.C., the office of senator John McCain,and the staff of Senator Orrin Hatch about this web site. NOBODY gave me an opinion on this concept.
Tony Marren Provo,Utah (Sent Dec 5, 2005 8:03:27 PM)
I am a builder in high priced Oregon where labor is a lot more expensive. I build custom homes for less per sq ft than these pre-fabs. Somebody is ripping someone off and probably at the tax payer's expense. Who's pockets are we lining this time?
K. Sprecher, Portland, OR (Sent Dec 5, 2005 8:20:40 PM)
You have to keep on top of house const. prices going up, up, up. When we built our 5000 sq. ft. house 10 years ago it was somewhere around $57.00 sq. ft., when it burned in '03 the insurance policy coverage had not kept up with price increases, in Spring of 05 it was up to around $127.00 sq. ft. so we had to pay out of pocket for the difference to get same size house. When the storm hit it was under construction and was badly damaged by wind and water so now what is it going to cost to start over? I really liked the manufactured home shown and as long as it has all it takes to help survive the next storm then I would certainly consider this as the way to rebuild.
nina, long beach, ms (Sent Dec 5, 2005 8:31:05 PM)
$100/sq ft. is ludicrous for this type construction. In non "rip-off" conditions you can build a luxury home on the coast for these prices. More crackpot solutions from looney tunes types on governor's commission!
Howard, Waveland (Sent Dec 5, 2005 8:51:48 PM)
I do not mean to sound down on prefab homes, but I strongly doubt that they could withstand sustained category 3 or higher winds without significant damage. Now, if they can pre-fab solid concrete walls with an entirely steel internal structure that is also around $100 per square foot, then there would be less damage and less claims. In South Florida, the only wood frame homes that survive such winds are made out of South Dade Pine. This is a native pine tree that is so dense that in order to drive in a nail, the hole must be pre-drilled. There are few homes left and very little pine trees left to rebuild them.
Most homes are built here using Concrete Block and Steel reinforcement rods.
Prefabs look nice, but just not for Hurricane prone areas (or Tornado areas for that matter).
Lord Fly, Homestead, Floria (Sent Dec 5, 2005 9:37:53 PM)
i'm sitting right now in a 20 yr. old pre-fab house on hatteras island. we've been hit by numerous hurricanes in the 11 yrs. we've lived here. still has 90% of the origional shingles. also the siding and carpeting are original. a few repairs here and there but nothing major. the many old pre-fabs out here are doing as well as the stick built houses. mabey better than some. the proofs is all around us.
george kungle avon north carolina (Sent Dec 5, 2005 11:15:06 PM)
Sadness sets in looking at the yellow example of what $100 per sq ft buys. I am reminded of what is called a shotgun house, considered something kin to an instant slum. How did we get here from there?
Jimmy Rogers Hearne Texas (Sent Dec 6, 2005 6:25:39 AM)
In my design class for Architecture, we worked on a project for Katrina Housing. All our designs were based on prefab and were under the contraints of having to fit on a trailer bed for easy moving.
Kari, Randolph Center, VT (Sent Dec 6, 2005 7:34:28 AM)
hey....it's a HOUSE...much better than a FEMA trailor...right?
andy,ms (Sent Dec 6, 2005 7:54:58 AM)
nice looking home
may we have a price per s/f of living area
paul northcott fort worth texas (Sent Dec 6, 2005 7:55:02 AM)
I agree with GDS. I think the Richmond, VA market averages around $100-135 per sq ft for regular stick built homes...that is TODAY pricing. It seems expensive to me.
Mace, Richmond, VA (Sent Dec 6, 2005 9:10:03 AM)
What about Steel homes. . . inexpensive and go up quickly. . . coatings make them impervious to salt?
Don Rose Port Aransas, TX (Sent Dec 6, 2005 9:34:21 AM)
Our 15-year-old double-wide in a holler in Franklin County, VA, is looking tired and wearing out. How wonderful to see affordable alternatives to the double-wide! Go ahead, y'all -- looking good. Innovations abound in VA, too: folks at VA Tech coming up with ideas, and a Roanoke, VA, architect headed up a contest/exhibit last year for 21st century homes suited to the southwest Virginia terrain. What was lost to the Gulf Coast in Katrina is heart-breaking; what CAN be built there offers hope.
Anne Cooney, Boones Mill, VA (Sent Dec 6, 2005 9:45:53 AM)
part of a solution is action. I think that if the prefab houseing can be organized quickly enough, people suffer less stress, and can go on...sometimes is costs a little more to gain a lot more..potatoe salid building projects just can't compete.
morgan adair...wasilla ak.. (Sent Dec 6, 2005 9:51:35 AM)
Also that price per sf was based on the California Market not the Gulf Coast Market. But there is probably not that much in difference, just because material and labor are at a premium right now.
Sean (Sent Dec 6, 2005 10:24:07 AM)
This custom home, designed by Dennis Thompson and built by Allen Associates (both of Santa Barbara), is a gift from the community of Santa Barbara to a family in Bay St. Louis. It representss what one community has done to help the effort to rebuild the Gulf Coast and, hopefully, will inspire others in this effort.
Sandy Fatano, Santa Barbara, CA (Sent Dec 6, 2005 10:39:23 AM)
This idea is not only practical, its universal and can resolve some immediate housing issues throughout the Gulf Coast and it will hopefully serve to bring some Katrina victims out of their tents, trailers (who are currently trying to cope with winter temperatues) and motel rooms (waiting for months for a FEMA trailer) and back to the Coast (home) where they belong! Let's hope this great idea is not extinguished in some political or bureaucratic quagmire!
Hank Renken, Diamondhead, MS (Sent Dec 6, 2005 10:43:43 AM)
In my youth I lived in a Central American banana town on the coast. Our home was about 150 yds. from the edge of the ocean. It was built on concrete stilts about 8 ft. high. Under the home, the ground was paved with concrete. This allowed use of the ground floor for lawn furniture, parties, and hamocks strung between the stilts. In the winter stormy season sometime waves would reach all the way to the area under the home. No Problem! Just sweep away the drifted sand.
Now that I am older I can see the disadvantage of having the first floor located so high above the ground. Arthritis makes it hard to climb those stairs to the first floor.
If it were possible to build a home where the home would sit on the ground in calm weather and then be jacked up to a higher elevation in anticipation of flooding, that would be a perfect compromise.
Bob Coleman, Apple Valley, California (Sent Dec 6, 2005 11:46:57 AM)
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